- The Weed Blog https://www.theweedblog.com

Take The 2016 Ohio Marijuana Legalization Survey


ohio marijuana legalization 2016The 2015 Ohio marijuana legalization effort resulted in more debate than any other marijuana legalization initiative I have ever seen. I received e-mails on a daily basis leading up to the campaign, from people that hated the initiative, people that supported the initiative, people that hated me for supporting the initiative, and from people who hated me for opposing the initiative. I didn’t come across one person that felt the now failed initiative was perfect, and everyone had recommendations for how to improve it.

2016 is right around the corner, and if Ohio is going to get back on the ballot in 2016 with a better initiative, things need to happen very quickly. The first step is drafting an initiative that is better than the 2015 effort, and complies with Issue 2, which passed during the 2015 Election and created new requirements for certain types of political efforts. ResponsibleOhio is back, and willing to push for a free market legalization initiative.

They have put a survey online, and are asking for input from Ohioans as to what should be included (and not included) in the new initiative. This is your chance to have your voice heard. I know that people are still upset about the 2015 effort, and I would say that rather than keep those feelings bottled up, instead focus them towards the survey and help make 2016 happen.

You can access the survey at this link here. Ohio cannot be left behind. There is obviously strong support for marijuana legalization in Ohio, as proven by many polls leading up to the 2015 Election. Ohio voters rejected Issue 3, not legalization. Ohio is ripe for reform. There were many, many people and organizations out there that opposed Issue 3 because ‘they could do better in 2016.’ Well, now is the chance to make good on those claims. The time to organize is now. Ohio patients and consumers are depending on it.


About Author

Johnny Green


  1. And for ones that are not mature enough or educated enough we do it for them ! and keep them out of Harm’s Way like we have to do with children ! because when there experiment does not work out it does not become a burden on the taxpayers, like cigarettes have! Don’t even start with the comparison of marijuana and cigarettes apples and oranges ! The marijuana Pro propaganda that’s being put out there is to benefit the ones that are going to profit billions from the legalization of recreational marijuana! And this drug has turned you into one of their puppets !

  2. Don’t worry. That’s the thing about marijuana reformers. — First we lose, then learn, get more support, become stronger, and come back and win.

  3. John, I hope you do have legal cannabis in Ohio one day; however, if you ask me it’s going to be a long time before this happens. I am speaking from a realistic point of view. First most your state official happen to be republican and conservative. If you feel the votes were stolen then you need to go to the court system and ask to investigate. Good luck with that since you do recall what happened in the courts during the wording of the ballot. Anyway good luck.

  4. No. It’s now clear to all objective observers. The monstrously destructive, counter-productive, freedom-strangling fraud must now end.

    That is why most of us are here.

  5. Yeah Jon, you broke the news to the world 2 days after it was first published. We thank you for your service. You’re right on top of things. Just 2 days behind. Glad to see you’re caught up. On topic you know that RO would have been the one to bring a civil suit and they have clearly moved on to drafting something the is more likely to pass in November. It will be the only marijuana related petition on the ballot once again, and once again the splinter groups will oppose it in a favor a plan to sell it like lettuce. Which Federal won’t allow, but they refuse to accept. So there you have it.

  6. Don’t look now, Sherlock, but marijuana prohibition still exists in California. – That’s what’s causing ALL the problems.

  7. Unfortunately, there are greedy black-market growers and reformers who have had their vision of justice replaced with visions of dollar signs. – These people don’t give a hoot about marijuana consumers. You’re going to have root these traitors out. – You can start with Ohio NORML that was hijacked by the black-marketeers.

    What we really need to do is start a TRUE National Cannabis Consumer’s Union. One that represents consumers 100 percent, and won’t sell out to growers and sellers.

    Look does it really matter what group you are from or what amendment that is on the ballot aren’t we all fighting for the same thing, there are people that really need this I for one need this this to be LEGALIZE I have arthritis, a form of muscular dystrophy enough about me there are sick kids, patients dying of cancer that needs this medicine. We won’t win unless we have unity, is this really about money and greed or is this not about being able to help the sick ((((UNITY)))))

  9. Some more. TRUTH : not all is well !

    Sheriff Tom Allman says voters in Colorado will regret the decision to legalize marijuana because crime will also increase. Allman says he should know, because for the last 30 years, Mendocino County has been regarded as the marijuana capitol of the U.S.

    Scenic Mendocino County is nestled in an area called the Emerald Triangle, three Northern California counties which are considered a safe haven for marijuana growers. But Allman says marijuana has ruined the area’s charm. He says marijuana has led to a spike in violent crime and growers aren’t the only victims.

    “Thugs put on masks, they come to your house, they kick in your door. They point guns at you and say, ‘Give me your marijuana, give me your money,’ ” Allman said.

  10. You can “disbelieve” in marijuana’s medical qualities if you like, but it’s likely you or your family will be using them in the future.

    You seem to have a problem with marijuana’s dual nature – that of being used medicinally and consumed recreationally.

    Too bad. That just the way it is with this amazing plant.

    Every person who switches from addictive, very harmful alcohol to near harmless marijuana, improves their health tremendously – as well as the lives of their family and community.

  11. I didn’t attack your writing skills. I simply asked why you wanted to come onto an obviously pro-cannabis site and argue against cannabis.
    What made you think you would find a receptive audience here?

    It’s like an atheist going on to a pentecostal website to argue against the existence of God.

  12. It is always funny to me when an article that posts something negativewhen about Marijuana–even ones from research from top Universities–that you STILL will have people dismiss it.
    They will think of EVERYTHING—and make up something that they think in their mind dismisses facts. It is truly unbelievable.
    Because when you attack there habit your attacking them ! Watch the posting attack me for speaking up ! ( just look at his grammar ) First they ask for where you get your research info. So they can TRY to dismiss it , then attack me some more , WE all know putting any carcinogen in your body is bad ( YES THERE CARCINOGEN IN MARIJUANA! ) no I don’t need to prove anything . Anyone who thinks putting any kind of CARCINOGEN in there body will be helpful to there health would never change there mind ! Now let the attack begin ! But for your information I don’t read or responded back because your a pot head , and you and your kind only attack my posting because your HOOKED ON YOUR DRUG ! And you feel the need to justify your habit or to join in with other DRUGIES to be part of some kind of movement ! And don’t let me see or catch or live by me doing your Drugs I would not hesitate to drop a dime on you ( I have in the past and will do it in the Future ! ! So bah bah bah AWAY ! !
    I may not have the skills as most here and if you pointing it out makes you feel superior to me , your going to feel like a king , but I do my best and don’t care what little bullies like you say or let it bother me , for I am here to say my piece , attacking my writing skills is all you got really !

  13. The truth is starting : So I google about crime in Colorado here what pop up now you were saying !

    1)DENVER — Four people are being sough after an armed robbery at a marijuana dispensary in the RiNo neighborhood Sunday afternoon, the Denver Police Department said.

    2) High Crimes: Robber Gangs Terrorize Colorado Pot Shops
    For weeks now, the Mile High state has allowed the sale of recreational pot to adults, and so far the Rockies still stand. But crimes like the ones above, all of which occurred in Colorado in the last six months, have produced an acid-drip of anxiety in the industry, highlighting the dangers faced by those hoping to drag America’s most popular illegal drug into the light.

    3)Colorado Marijuana Industry Experiencing Summer Crime Wave

    4)Gun-Wielding Robbers Hit High Street medical marijuana dispensary

    5)Top Security Firm Experiences Rash of Robberies Highlighted in Local News
    In June, one of MPS Security’s chief competitors experienced a rash of six robberies in less than two months. Most of the break-ins, according to a company spokesperson, happened after hours when staff and security personal were not on watch.
    One such robbery involved a break in, while a grower was still in the facility early in the morning. The grower apparently startled the robbers and chased them off, but not before one of the intruders turned and fired a couple of shots at the grower. Luckily, the shooter missed.

  14. If it has medical properties like everybody says , why do we have marijuana dispensaries it needs to in the hands of doctors , pharmacies , hospitals only , because I do believe it does help a small number of children only about 20-30% with seizures from the videos and from what I read from parents with children that are having seizures . It’s not the miracle cure were all being led to believe !

  15. What exactly motivated you to come onto an obviously pro-cannabis website and post that particular screed?

    Did you think ANYONE who regularly visits this site was going to read your prohibitionist nonsense and suddenly say “hey, CJ is right! For now on, I’m going to be totally against pot!”

  16. Ed, you continue to ignore the simple fact that “actual activists” have never gotten cannabis legalized anywhere.
    You can keep deluding yourself otherwise, but the simple undeniable fact is that only big corporate (if philanthropic) PAC money from The MPP has ever gotten legalization done anywhere.
    That help wasn’t available in Ohio, and still won’t be in the future.
    So, until “actual activists” finally contribute enough funds – something that has NEVER happened so far, in any state – to whatever initiative comes along next, grass roots efforts alone are never going to accomplish anything, especially not in politically expensive Ohio.
    So no, your “leave it to us” command is not a viable path forward.
    Legalization happens as a result of commercialization, and until you figure that out, you’re just shooting arrows at the moon.

    How about channeling all of that negative energy against a group that no longer exists into coming up with a positive solution that simultaneously entices the needed investors AND creates a more open market?
    If you can figure out how to do that, you’re smarter than everyone else who has worked on the problem so far.

  17. Ed, it’s over. How about putting your vitriol aside now, as the author of this article suggests, and get on with constructively working toward the NEXT legalization effort, whichever you decide that should be?
    We all get it; you vehemently opposed issue 3.
    Why not simply be satisfied that your opinion won?

    To continue ranting against an issue that has already been decided accomplishes nothing positive.

  18. Who was “trashing” whom?
    I didn’t see anything at all coming out of the RO PAC that ever talked in any way – positively or negatively – about any other initiative.
    The only trash talking came from supporters of OTEP, and in particular Aaron Weaver who spent much more time trash talking RO than they did promoting their own initiative.
    If you can find any official statement from RO that denigrated any other legalization initiative, I’d love to see the link.

  19. No. The election was clearly stolen. – James has been through the battle and has seen all the dirty tricks of the corrupt legislature, administration and greedy black-market growers.

    He will be well-prepared next year.

  20. No. Polls showed a majority of voters approved of Issue 3 up to the day before the election. They, appropriately, didn’t care about the temporary growing arrangements. It was ALL about ending the vicious, insane war on marijuana consumers.

    The election was stolen, just as it was in 2004.

  21. You are either ignorant or dishonest. The “lower IQ study” was debunked. – It turned out they didn’t control for socio-economic effects. The real cause of the lower IQ’s was poverty. – Big surprise.

    Investigators from the Pittsburgh School of Medicine and Rutgers University prospectively examined whether male subjects who consumed cannabis between the ages of 15 and 26 differed in terms of socioeconomic, social, and life satisfaction outcomes by their mid-30s as compared to those who either abstained or used marijuana sparingly.

    Authors reported that initially observed differences between the groups were largely eliminated once investigators controlled for co-occurring use of other substances and several pre-existing confounding factors in early adolescence.

    They concluded: “After statistically accounting for confounding variables, chronic marijuana users were not at a heightened risk for maladjustment in adulthood.

  22. No. – The country’s leading researcher of marijuana and lung disease, UCLA’s Dr. Donald Tashkin, conducted investigations over 30 years, initially believing there must be a causal relationship. But he finally concluded that smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer or ANY other serious disease.

    Tashkin discussed his reseach:

    “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even some suggestion of a protective effect.”

  23. Easy to charge people with lying, but when it comes to marijuana reformers, impossible to prove. – The truth is marijuana reform’s greatest ally. – The fact is, marijuana has no significant harm and it’s prohibition was/is a monstrously destructive fraud.

    Professor Julian Heicklen never smoked, or cared about, marijuana. But when he retired in 1998, he decided the most important thing he could do was to lead marijuana smoke-outs at the Gates of Penn State, every Thursday for more than a year.

    Of course, he was arrested several times. When asked why he was doing this, he replied:

    “Marijuana is the messenger, not the message. The issue is whether we will live in freedom or in tyranny!”

    When the people make no protest against arbitrary law, they invite oppression.

  24. You have a severe case of tunnel vision. Everyone who doesn’t agree with you must be on R.O.’s payroll. – Greed blinds you like that.

    No. I have zero connection to them. I am just a consumer/reformer standing in solidarity with the hundreds of thousands of Ohio marijuana consumers you betrayed.

  25. No. I was virtually there every day in the two months prior to the election. I spoke with everyone in all the major news site forums. I saw very clearly what happened. Polls showed majority support for Issue 3 the day before the election. It was stolen.

    The major Ohio medical marijuana patients group SUPPORTED Issue 3.

  26. I made enemies? I have no connection to RO, other than the realization that Issue 3 would have been incredibly good for Ohio, the country and the world.

    I am simply a marijuana consumer/reformer who stands in solidarity with all marijuana consumers, like the hundreds of thousands of consumers in Ohio. Those who greedy people like you were so blithely willing to throw under the bus.

    Consumer freedom trumps everything and is what marijuana reform is all about.

  27. Sure you have a bill for 2016. I’m willing to bet dollars to donuts it does not even get enough signatures to make it on the ballot, much less enough votes to pass.

  28. Who ever wrote their bill is clueless. You are not going to pass a bill that makes drug testing for cannabis in the workplace illegal. As an employer, I laughed. It’s a pipe dream. Pun somewhat intended.

  29. I personally voted by absentee ballot, always have. Young people do a lot via social media, and would have had a lot of information about Issue 3. Where at least one older person (probably 50’s) I talked to, just thought it was pure legalization. I can see something marijuana related being a thing to get younger people out to vote.

  30. Agree with Franklin. Everyone that I talked to supported legalization. Some voted FOR Issue 3, others (more) voted against it. Again, ALL supported legalization. Of course there were groups of people who voted strictly against legalization, who were probably not reflected in the polls.

  31. Thank god I was a genius to begin with. I can afford to lose those 8 points. And I’m not all stressed out about…. stuff. Dude.

  32. Ian wanted to make it legal because he wanted a monopoly over it in Ohio. It might as well have been Velveeta cheese. I assure you, drug cartels do NOT want marijuana legal. As far as me, my interest is medical. Cannabis will prevent nearly 100% of seizures in people with seizure disorders. For children who cannot live normal lives because they have 30 or 40 seizures a day, that is an incredible difference. So yea…. Mr Broccoli.

  33. Exactly. They supported legalization. Many did not understand the monopoly component, and had already decided on their vote when they went to the poles. I know this because I spoke to people who just thought it was a bill about legalization. However with Issue 2 passing, that horse has left the barn. A bill like Issue 3 will never again be attempted, because it will be shot down. No doubt it was incredibly expensive. And RO has put together another bill that they are desperate to get to pass to get their grow sites online so that they can eventually recover some of their initial expenses.

  34. Issue 2 only pertains to legalizations that benefit a particular business or entity. It would have pertained to RO and Issue 3. It would not have been an issue with a simple legalization bill.

  35. A basic legalization will pass. The bill that CARO is pushing will not, just because what is in it is not legal (and stupid). You cannot make it illegal to drug test for cannabis. An employer can test for whatever they wish as a term of employment as long as it is not something protected. Do I really care if RO backs a bill if there is not a monopoly in it? NO. They will back a bill because they NEED to use their grow sites to make SOME money. I personally would like to be able to have a small (small) medical grow and dispensary. I’m talking 10 plants.

  36. I have a really simple test for whether or not a drug is dangerous.like there trying to do with MARIJUANA !

    How hard will users work to get it legalized?

    How much money will they spend.

    How many lies and exaggerations will they tell.

    How much rhetoric will they use, how hard will they work to indoctrinate other users.

    How willing are they to be dishonest with THEMSELVES.

    If a drug drives millions of people to lie, exaggerate, con, beg, and addict their friends….Every day on Facebook I see people willing to share absolutely absurd “facts” about marijuana. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that at the very least it’s an exaggeration, and more likely a flat out lie.

    And no one, to my knowledge has ever lied, exaggerated, mislead people to get Broccoli !

  37. Speaking of ignorance : Marijuana smokers have long been characterized as dimwitted and slow. They tend to shrug off these stereotypes as artifacts of how they are when they’re on the drug. If you’ve ever had the misfortune of enduring a pot smoker who takes you through the “beneficial” effects of marijuana on the brain, then you’ve likely wondered if the stereotype is true. As it turns out, it is.

    A study more than thirty years in the making found that smoking marijuana permanently lowers intelligence, or IQ. Frequent pot smokers (even those who had given up marijuana) tended to have deficits in memory, concentration, and overall IQ. The reduction in IQ for those who smoked pot heavily prior to age 18 was most pronounced: an average of eight points. An eight point reduction in IQ is enough to have a significant, negative impact upon your life. To put it into context, consider that individuals with an IQ of 110 have an average net worth of $71,000 and individuals with an IQ of 120 have an average net worth of $128,000. It looks like smoking pot can lower your tax bracket. Original enough for you !

  38. FACT:There is the Denver man who, hours after buying a package of marijuana-infused Karma Kandy from one of Colorado’s new recreational marijuana shops, began raving about the end of the world and then pulled a handgun from the family safe and killed his wife, the authorities say. Some hospital officials say they are treating growing numbers of children and adults sickened by potent doses of edible marijuana. Sheriffs in neighboring states complain about stoned drivers streaming out of Colorado and through their towns.

    “I think, by any measure, the experience of Colorado has not been a good one unless you’re in the marijuana business,” said Kevin A. Sabet, executive director of Smart Approaches to Marijuana, which opposes legalization. “We’ve seen lives damaged. We’ve seen deaths directly attributed to marijuana legalization. We’ve seen marijuana slipping through Colorado’s borders. We’ve seen marijuana getting into the hands of kids.”

  39. I was adamantly against ro because of the monopolistic nature and its attempt to corner the market where only a select few would run the grow aspect of it. Sorry , no matter how you twist it that is un american and would create a market where there would be less then top quality product for a high price. Free market or no market is clearly what Ohio voters said. I do commend r.o. on their willingness to still continue to seek legalization with a free market and if it is fair for everybody , I certainly will give them my full support.

  40. saynotohypocrisy on

    Interesting point about the description on the ballot. It was a complicated issue, even the summary of the amendment was easily long enough to be an amendment by itself, so people really weren’t sure what they were voting on. And the prohibs were able to foist a biased version off as authoritative and have it be the last word to make an impression on every voter.

  41. I’m reluctantly NOT tarring and feathering them as they’re forced into a living version of a Viking funeral.

  42. You’ve made TWICE as many enemies as you did roads; you tried Michigan last year and they passed monopoly protections while simultaneously telling you to get out of the state (I have the video of Lachey singing the wolverines fight song during the campaign for it,) why don’t you just go to PA or something now?

  43. Just because a person calls themself an expert doesn’t make it true. The guy’s degree is from OPEN ENROLLMENT college for Christ’s sake!

  44. The vote WAS honest; your polls were what lied. The computer program for ONE (and ONLY one,) TV network show the greater number on top and changed to putting YES on top during voting. THAT is why ONE channel showed issue 3winning for a whole 45 seconds.

  45. Alternet is about as respected as the onion. You RO shills can’t even admit WHY you lost. You presented us with garbage and crumbs, we scraped you off the table like burnt toast.

  46. Not really . I love how ppl like you love to twist words into what ever. Issue 2 wasn’t about legalization it is a law against monopolies being forced on the ppl threw laws. Issue 2 does 0% to prevent future legalization efforts. It just blocks a legalization effort like issue 3 where you got only 10 ppl who can comercialy grow

  47. Then LEAVE it to US jonnyboy. The ACTUAL activists got this now; thanks for wasting $20 million to get the conversation started though.

  48. Umm, what about the group they were trashing because it’s ACTUALLY legalizing and not just altering the terms of Prohibition? It’s issue 2 compliant already, has a reasonable cost for a business license, no licenses for growing 4 plants LIMITED in total weight, and has been getting calls since 15 minutes after Hamilton county closed on election night. They were so sure it’d pass and lost 2:1; it’s pretty safe to say that Ian James knows NOTHING of what the people will vote for.

  49. It lost because even PATIENTS were saying “F*** your garbage amendment!” Offer ACTUALLY legalizing it and NOT excluding ANYONE from the market and it’ll pass.

  50. Highly educated on

    Cannabis only contains carcinogens when smoked just like anything that’s smoked. The proper way of consumption is eating which actually reverses any carcinogen effects other products may have had on your body. Learn facts before spitting out the reefer madness bullshit we have all heard for the last 70 years. Do some research before making claims you know nothing about. The real drugs that people do are already legal and it’s called alcohol, tobacco and caffeine all with worse long term effects than cannabis could ever do even if they started making then the GMO way because it’s a miracle plant that is being controlled because those in power make more money “fighting” cancer, depression, anxiety and the slew of other medical problems cannabinoids can cure but keep being a sheep have fun dying of cancer and doing through chemotherapy

  51. It is not going to matter and since issue two passed your chances of getting any form of legalization are down the toilet. You were told this before the vote took place. Now, lets see how long you have to wait for legalization. My first question is have you got enough signature for 2016 yet? If the answer is no, then you have your answer. This will be a hard lessoned learned by Ohioans. Sorry.

  52. That’s not true at all. If you would of paid attention to what happened in ohio you would know It was all about 10 ppl who have a lot of money being set up as the only 10 ppl that would of been able to grow commercially

  53. If I were an ro guy I would not give you a dime but I hope they are willing to give ppl that were so easily manipulated a second chance. I say this because in the next effort if there is one, the conservatives will make up another key word that requires their definition and manipulation of the court system to define that turn uneducated folks against the effort and the same scenario is played out again.

  54. What you needed was votes and did not have them. good luck in your continuing efforts. I do hope ohio legalizes some day soon but judging by the margin loss, I would not get my hopes up too high.

  55. Ppl interested in money have very little to do with legalization. I would hope you have a well funded effort for your cause. Good Luck and do mean that sincerely.

  56. There has been far more serious vote rigging in the USA so I don’t know why this would be beyond the pale.
    There are some very conservative politicians who didn’t want this law and conservative is another word for corrupt.
    What you knew was that you were manipulated by the governments own wording when it was the government that decided that 10 growers was a monopoly. 10 is not a monopoly. More to follow is also not a monopoly.
    Those who voted no are using their conditioning as an excuse not to investigate a serious crime.

  57. You don’t know what you are talking about. A lot of the ppl who smoke in that state voted against issue 3 because they were against a cannabis monopoly

  58. It was both. They did it in 2004 and got away with it, so naturally, they did it again.

    I talked with too many people in Ohio that supported Issue 3. – It was stolen – in many ways.

  59. No. We have already made great inroads in Ohio. At the very least 36 percent of Ohio voters stood up to support legalization. – It was probably as high as 55 percent in actuality.

    We just need to get the trolls off the doorway. Eyes wide open next year.

  60. You just proved his point: ” You ask where they are gong to get the money and they argue about a different subject.”

  61. I don’t know what the final percentage was of voters in Ohio, but I do know that I was shocked at the number of young people at my polling place.
    Obviously, that may have been an isolated circumstance, but it was nonetheless pretty unusual in my precinct, where most voters even in Presidential election years are well above thirty-five at my polling place.
    The alternet article is a little too conspiracy-theory for my liking, but it does raise some interesting questions.
    The problem is, of course, that the only people with the power to investigate any election malfeasance are the same people who wanted the issue to fail in the first place.

  62. It will certainly be interesting to see what new dirty tricks DeWine and Husted will try to pull next year, whether against OTEP or some new proposal from Ian James.

  63. As I commented on that site, the conspiracy theory they propose is just beyond the pale.
    The more viable explanation is that many people were turned off or otherwise swayed by the extremely biased title and description presented on the ballot.

    I was all for issue 3, and had even read the actual ballot language before going to the polls, but once there, it took an act of willful defiance to vote yes, in opposition to the issue as described on the ballot.

    I had to vote based on what I KNEW, and ignore what the ballot said.

  64. darthhillbilly on

    Not to mention the fact that Ohio legalization would force other states to change laws…big difference between west coast legalization and legalization within 1/2 days drive of the whole country.

  65. If Ohio does not want it move else where the loss margin was to great to overcome. Ohio is a waste of time and money. There are more progressive states to focus on. The heck with Ohio.

  66. Health concerns regarding marijuana tend to come from a self-fueling group of discredited scientists funded by the pharmaceutical, prison, tobacco, and alcohol industries. They push non-peer-reviewed papers, fraught with conjecture and confounding variables, while relying upon reports issued by others in their own group to further support their own grossly misleading research and clearly biased agendas.

    The Duke University (New Zealand) study, the one which claimed that smoking marijuana in your teens leads to a long-term drop in IQ, has since been utterly rebuked by a new paper, published by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that examined the research and found its methodology to be flawed.

    “…existing research suggests an alternative confounding model based on time-varying effects of socioeconomic status on IQ. A simulation of the confounding model reproduces the reported associations from the [August 2012 study], suggesting that the causal effects estimated in Meier et al. are likely to be overestimates, and that the true effect could be zero”.

    —Ole Rogeberg.

  67. Here’s some more actual science for you to ignore:

    1) Tobacco is cancer causing largely because it delivers specific carcinogens such as NNK and NNAL that are not present in cannabis. Not all “tar” is created equal, and tobacco has some of the most carcinogenic types of tar known to science, whereas cannabis does not.

    2) Cannabis (marijuana) use is associated with a DECREASE in several types of cancer… potentially even providing a protective effect against tobacco and alcohol related cancer development.

    Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.

    Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.

    “Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke. However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it.”

  68. One guy’s lion swallowed my whole stash so we put a Philippine Cobra up its ass. It didn’t work though.

  69. Sure you did. – You’re spinning wildly. – If the Ohio election procedures – and officials – aren’t cleaned up, we will never get an honest vote from that state.

  70. It won’t matter what we attempt in the future if we leave the foxes in charge of the hen house. No legalization will ever pass until we root out the thieves at the top.

  71. If we don’t nail down what happened, it will happen again with whatever initiative goes forth in the future. – To say otherwise is deceptive or incredibly naïve.

  72. Nonsense. Nothing you have said is new. The polls showed support right up to the time of the vote. – The corrupt Ohio administration has done this before in 2004 and got away with it. Naturally, they would do it again. – If we turn our focus away, they will do it once more in next year’s election.
    Those who try to distract from these grand crimes are the problem.

  73. 2 days ago is old news unless the story get picked up. I read it and found it interesting. I just think it would be very hard to prove without an insider stepping forward. Everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong with this campaign. Ohio needs to unite under one plan for starters. That should be done early. I would take a strong look at I71 in DC for a format. An amendment to the constitution needs to establish basic rights rather than spell out policy.

  74. Did it really fail or was it stolen?
    Support for Cannabis was very high in Ohio.
    Ballot initiatives should always be supported with an exit poll so supporters have a real idea of the actual count and keep detailed screen shots of the count as it unfolds.




  75. I was no fan of RO when they were trying to push Issue 3’s oligopoly provisions, but since they appear to be making a good-faith effort to create an initiative that Ohioans actually want, we should work with them. They probably have a bunch of money leftover, and would rather be able to at least use all the land they have reserved rather than lose everything.

  76. There’s a much simpler explanation than fraud: the pollsters predicted turnout wrong. So, we know that this was a low-turnout election, and that young people did not show up in droves as we hoped. To demonstrate, if a pollster calls a bunch of voters and 25% of the people it reaches are 18-35, but they only make up 15% of the people who show up on election day, if the pollster doesn’t compensate for this effect by making an adjustment in their turnout model, they will be oversampling the youth vote, which on issues like this which vary hugely by age, can result in a 10 or 15 point swing.
    MORE IMPORTANTLY, anyone who takes the poll’s published margin of error and assumes that’s the only possible source of error doesn’t understand how polling works. That margin of error refers ONLY to the sampling error – that is, the error created by calling 600, 800, 1000, etc. people instead of the entire populace of Ohio. Because they’re asking people about their future behavior, though, there’s several other sources of error. One is the time dimension – people can change their minds between when they’ve been polled and when they cast their vote. One that’s more important, which I alluded to above, is that the pollster will undoubtedly reach people who say they intend to vote who do not vote (and probably vice versa). Most likely this will not happen completely equally on each side of an issue and that will create an additional error.
    So please, calm down a bit and try to be part of the solution. We have to accept the defeat of Issue 3 and move on, rather than taking solace in conspiracy theories.

  77. Some people have a disconnect with reality. It cost at least a million bucks to get petitions certified to make ballot. You ask where they are gong to get the money and they argue about a different subject. RO likely spent 3 million to get the number of certified votes in the end. All these other groups are standing there with 35 cents and their favorite plan in their hand. The price doesn’t change based on any other argument. They don’t seem to want to accept the reality of a multi million dollar campaign. In real life, that has to be real money. Adults know that real money doesn’t come for free.

  78. You read it when it came out? – When was that? (actually, the article just came out yesterday.)

    Thanks for confirming the corruption of the vote in Ohio. I’m fully aware of how they helped steal the 2004 presidential election. That’s one of the reasons we need to NOT forget what has happened here. – We have another presidential election coming up and Ohio could cause destruction again!

  79. I read that when it came out. Nothing appears to be coming of it though. There are also TV screenshots that show 3 leading then flip to the other side. Could have been error. I think we all know there is a cheat factor involved. Not that much though. In the last presidential election remember Ohio didn’t have their votes until the next day. There were reports at polling station of people not being sure there was vote was electronically counted. Many people didn’t appear on the voting rolls even though they hadn’t changed address and had been registered for years. No doubt the election was a mess. That hasn’t changed though. Ohio is stuck with the system they have.

  80. It was low, but that was expected. – The Fitrakis / Wasserman article above lays it all out. I posted the link, but Weedblog holds posts with links until they are approved. You can easily find it at AlternetDrugs.

  81. saynotohypocrisy on

    What was the turnout, anyway? Have you considered who actually turned out in this election, i.e. young people vs old people?

    I sure hope there was no fraud involved, this year or in 2004. We’re got enough problems in this country without outright cheaters/traitors in positions of power.

  82. That’s not true. You don’t have all the information. From AlterNet:

    “The results are not only impossible but unfathomable,” stated Ron Baiman, Assistant Professor of Graduate Business Administration at Benedictine University, where he teaches economics and statistics.

    The Columbus Free Press asked Baiman to calculate the odds of the official vote count of Ohio’s Issue 3, to legalize marijuana, being correct – compared to the tracking polls charting voter preference leading up to this year’s November election. The Free Press supplied Baiman with poll results taken prior to the election by noted pollster Jon Zogby.

    The polls leading into the November 3 vote showed the referendum passing. But the official results claim it lost by 2:1.

    The standard assumption with such polling is that the undecided voters in the poll would have potentially gone 50-50. Thus half of them would be voting no and the other half would be voting yes on Issue 3. Baiman pointed out that with such an assumption being probable, the odds against the referendum losing 2:1 go through the roof. They are, he said, “one in a trillion.”

    The analysis showed that even if the most illogical outcome is assumed – that every single undecided voter in the polls voted against Issue 3 – it is still statistically impossible to accept Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted’s official tally as being credible.”

  83. Are you sure that wasn’t the question about whether they supported legalizing in general? There was one poll, Kent State I think that showed pretty high support. I didn’t see the polls that used the ballot question. Regardless, polls are an indicator and the proof is in the votes. I’m aware that support in Ohio is still over 50% for legalizing and almost 80% for medical. Polling on this issue has a margin of error of about 15% apparently. Even with a cheat 35%. That means that RO talked 15% of the people out of legalizing. That is how bad that plan was. It’s a setback for Rec in Ohio regardless. The prohibition groups have their network of social workers, deputies, school principals, etc, spreading Reefer Madness 2.0 They have proven they can manipulate the vote enough to make Ohio lose. Ohio should focus on medical first like everyone else and wait for rec when the time is right.

  84. The “35%” wasn’t real. Support may have dipped down to 45%, or we may have won. – We’ll probably never know now.

  85. RO 15 is over with. It was a disaster. No reason to keep repeating that stuff against it. You couldn’t have made Issue 3 pass no matter what you did. If it had pulled 45% even then that would be different. 35% means not ready for Rec. Better stick with medical and let people see that the sky doesn’t fall. Shoot for 2020 again with Rec and it will probably pass. If Issue 3 would have passed prohibition would be over today in Ohio. You would have had until June to collect signatures for a better plan in 2016. The argument of prohibition would have been over in that state. Now it’s back to square one of arguing about whether it’s as bad as heroin and whether medical is a joke. Ohio has zero chance of passing a Rec amendment in 2016 or even 2018.

  86. Simply nonsense. A victory for Ohio’s Issue 3 would have made incredible inroads for marijuana reform, advancing the end of the fraudulent federal prohibition exponentially.

  87. CJ you’re always funny to me. Not as funny as Hee Haw, but we already agreed on that. The problem is that you repeat so much of the other side’s propaganda about marijuana. Everything else you seem to see clearly. Right to bear arms is not the government’s business. The government shouldn’t be able to force us to buy a product or service. But then on marijuana, you jump to the other side and are plugged into that the same mind control machine that you are pointing at in the Internet. They didn’t fool you on a lot of stories but they got you on marijuana. Psychological warfare. CJ, you’re infected.

    No on believes that marijuana smoke causes cancer anymore. The only gold standard study ever was so sure that it did that they allowed Dr. Donald Tashkin’s team to research the actual plant, not some chemical derivative. They concluded zero connection to lung cancer. More of a protective effect. The DEA would not have allowed the study if they thought is was going to prove no cancer connection. No one expected it. But the science doesn’t lie. Look up the NIH report and some of Dr. Tashkin’s reports. He’s is the leading expert on this issue.

    The problem with the reports you cite is that they are prepared by SAM or some other prohibition group. They are manufactured with intention of showing harm. There are billions of dollars a year in the Federal budget at stake. Throwing a few million at some phony reports that won’t stand a week before being debunked is a small investment in the profits they make.

    There is bias going in and no certain conclusions coming out. Everyone agrees that they just hasn’t been enough research. So what research are you pointing to? The prohibition groups now stand on the fact that your research doesn’t exist? If evidence only exist subjectively then it’s fiction. They have you in a Catch 22. If 2 + 2 = 4 in California, then it has to equal 4 in Georgia too. If you agree the number is 4 in any part of the argument then the number must always be 4. It can’t vary on which piece of horse manure your’re trying to prop up. Now that’s why prohibition is losing more members as old fossils like us die off. We knew most of them when they were alive and they were always sticks in the mud..

    This marijuana reform is harmless and it’s about liberty if nothing else. It’s not for our generation to be the people we resented when we were young. Medical Marijuana is something I can absolutely recommend as a medicine. Whether people want to consume it for personal reasons is their own business. How many guns do you own CJ? It’s nobody’s damn business. That’s how many.

  88. Thanks for the laundry list of prohibition lies and junk science. – What do you believe is the single greatest harm of marijuana?

  89. No. Polls showed 52 to 56 percent of Ohio voters approved of Issue 3 right before the vote. The truth is coming out that the huge loss margin was simply impossible.

  90. Only a fool tries to preempt responses to their posts.

    The country’s most respected researcher of marijuana and lung disease, UCLA’s Dr. Donald Tashkin, conducted investigations over 30 years, initially believing there must be a causal relationship. But he finally concluded that smoking marijuana does NOT cause cancer or ANY other serious disease.

    Tashkin discussed his reseach: “We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use. What we found instead was no association at all, and even some suggestion of a protective effect.”

  91. The only thing that mattered in the Ohio election was the freedom of hundreds of thousands of Ohio marijuana consumers. – Most reform “leaders” turned their backs on them.

  92. It is always funny to me when an article that posts something negative about Marijuana–even ones from research from top Universities–that you STILL will have people dismiss it.

    They will think of EVERYTHING—and make up something that they think in their mind dismisses facts. It is truly unbelievable.

    I have always been someone who respects science, I can identify solid, accurate studies and research. A study is solid through and through and has been backed by multiple centers with a large number of patients and reviewed by peers before publication. You cannot dismiss that as bogus.

    The Internet’s being manipulated by ones who are going to profit Billions of dollars from legalization marijuana !

    If it has medical properties like everybody says , why do we have marijuana dispensaries it needs to in the hands of doctors , pharmacies , hospitals only , because I do believe it does help some small children about 20-30% with seizures from the videos and from what I read from parents with children that are having seizures . And let’s all remember Columbia’s Mo. first police officer were I live was killed by a man high on marijuana, so was American sniper he was also killed by a man high on marijuana! “.

    Marijuana and Mental Health: A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, and schizophrenia with age at first use to be an important risk factor. High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction. And when your experiment with marijuana doesn’t work out why should taxpayers have pay for your medical expenses the rest of your life !

    MYTH: Marijuana is harmless.
    FACT: According to the Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), in 2010 there were over 572,000 marijuana-involved admissions to hospital emergency rooms. The same report inddicated that during the same timeframe, an estimated 11,406 emergency department visits involved a synthetic cannabinoid product, sometimes referred to as “synthetic marijuana” and commonly known by street names such as “Spice” or “K2”.

    MYTH: Marijuana is harmless , he said years ago that he smoked pot daily !
    As for the big lie about MARIJUANA : Medical experts blame the Home Secretary for creating confusion about the risks posed by the drug – leading young people wrongly to believe it is harmless.
    They claim David Blunkett’s decision to reclassify cannabis as a class C drug – putting it on a level with anabolic steroids and prescription painkillers – sent out the wrong message and played down the devastating
    A study more than thirty years in the making found that smoking marijuana permanently lowers intelligence, or IQ. Frequent pot smokers (even those who had given up marijuana) tended to have deficits in memory, concentration, and overall IQ. The reduction in IQ for those who smoked pot heavily prior to age 18 was most pronounced: an average of eight points. An eight point reduction in IQ is enough to have a significant, negative impact upon your life

    As for the big lie about MARIJUANA : Medical experts blame the Home Secretary for creating confusion about the risks posed by the drug – leading young people wrongly to believe it is harmless.
    They claim David Blunkett’s decision to reclassify cannabis as a class C drug – putting it on a level with anabolic steroids and prescription painkillers – sent out the wrong message and played down the devastating health effects of its regular use.
    Professor John Henry, a leading authority on the drug, said the change – due to take place this summer – had undermined doctors’ efforts to highlight the risks.
    He said: “Cannabis is as dangerous as cigarette smoking – in fact, it may be even worse – and downgrading its legal status has simply confused people.
    The Internet’s and news is being manipulated by ones who are going to profit Billions of dollars from legalization marijuana !

  93. Yeah we won ! No drug in our state ! Anyone who thinks putting any kind of CARCINOGEN in there body will be helpful to there health would never change there mind ! Now let the attack begin ! But for your information I don’t read or responded back because your a pot head , and you and your kind only attack my posting because your HOOKED ON YOUR DRUG ! And you feel the need to justify your habit or to join in with other DRUGIES to be part of some kind of movement ,

  94. Ohio should probably aim for medical marijuana first and see how that goes. Regardless of the monopoly that was the worst beating a marijuana reform amendment has taken in history. People are not being realistic with the numbers. Issue 3 would have failed even if it had the support of all the reform groups and endorsements from all the same exact groups who will find an excuse to oppose any reform. Ohio should aim at a more realistic goal with a medical only plan. Make it restricted enough to win some conservative votes and it will pass. Ohio is probably 10 years away from reaching recreational sales. There is still too much of an education gap on the plant among the voting masses. You can’t argue your point of view anymore and do anything but get the person to stop arguing. They are still going to vote how their party tells them to vote in the elections. If Republican leaders oppose it, then their followers will find an excuse to oppose it. What is the problem with unity in Ohio? They seem to have all generals and no foot soldiers. Every one and their brother has their own plan. If they don’t figure out the basic of uniting and putting the ego in the back seat then they won’t even get medical in 2016. 35% is just too much of a beating to explain off with any one factor. That was an Oklahoma vote.

  95. jasen joseph hylbert on

    Hey, why don’t we use the oil for reasons that will benefit the future like for building better roads and domestic energy infrastructure instead of using it for the transport of a product which could easily be produced right where it is consumed or right where it is bought? I am pleased that we have enough oil for the time being, but as we plan for the future and time goes on we may really regret having a system set up which includes fuel wasting distribution systems for the types of products which really do not need to be transported much in a situation which values freedom.

  96. jasen joseph hylbert on

    RO 2015 would have delayed the repeal of prohibition until 2019. Empowering the likes of RO would be bad for the future. We would have to constantly be watching then and saving them from themselves.

  97. jasen joseph hylbert on

    Please do not censor my comments for merely political reasons… For your own dignity… Exactly what was appropriate in your opinion about the RO situation? When you censor my comments for no just reason it really does not speak well of this website.

    Why not have this website be a forum of an exchange of ideas? All I said was that you cannot know what that many people thought about the rigged economy style growing arrangements, and that no one person can determine what is definitvely “appropriate” for all of those people to think. In my view, people really should desire to know about the supply chain which they consume from. From what I have gathered, consuming from as local sources as is possible has always been a very popular concept.

    Let’s use the oil in a way that will serve the future of humanity most effectively, not just waste it shipping around dried plant matter that could easily be produced directly at or at least very close to the points of consumption/ sale…

  98. exactly. They are provably broke as per Secretary of State of Ohio records show and have been floundering since OTEP incorporated in Sept of 2014! I have the proof.

    That is why on my YouTube channel ProLegalTreesGuy I expose SSDP and OTEP for the back stabbers they really are. In one video SSDP President Cassie Young is very negative, accusatory toward Ian James and demands that he support OTEP and sponsor them financially and that is her definition of “unity”. HA! just like Cassie Young, SSDP, and OTEP helped unify the Pro-Cannabis Community in 2015 by fully supporting Prohibition of Marijuana in order to indulge in their pipe dream fantasies of making their own legalization in 2016!

    What hypocritical fools! All we had to do was pass issue 3 in 2015 and amend it in 2016 for Open Markets and Open Home Grow but these losers helped force us back into prohibition and now are failing to live up to their naive ignorant promises of a ‘better’ legalization in 2016.

  99. jasen joseph hylbert on

    RO was going to include harsher penalties for self provision beyond their very limited scale.

    RO was going to delay repealing prohibition until 2019 – who benefits from that? They will get a better plan than that. Their intentions were skewed beyond horrible from the start at RO.

    How are you an authority on whether or not voters and consumers are concerned about the supply chains of the produxts that they buy?

    How are you the authority on what is in your words “appropriate” for voters and consumers to think about the supply chains of the products they consume?

    I repeat:
    RO was going to delay repealing prohibition until 2019? We all know they deserve better than that and will get better.

    We could hypothesize about who would benefit from delaying the repeal of prohibition until 2019 for Ohio, but it certainly would not be the average Ohioan or the average American.

  100. jasen joseph hylbert on

    Do you ever feel as though being a naysayer is holding you back? Those of us who want an actual real repeal of prohibition have a lot behind us that you do not know about. If I were you I would at least show a little but of optimism and not just give up so easily.

  101. There was no excuse to deny the freedom of hundreds of thousands of Ohio marijuana consumers. – The growing arrangements were minor, temporary and not the point. Voters and consumers didn’t care about them and that was appropriate. Polls right before the election showed 52 to 56 percent support for ISSUE 3 – not just legalization in general.

    And nothing is being said about how this election was STOLEN. – This was the most traitorous action by “marijuana reform” AND the corrupt Ohio legislature, administration and election officials.

    This is perhaps the ugliest moment in all of marijuana reform history!

    Every marijuana consumer and reformer had a HUGE stake in this election – not just Ohio consumers.

  102. I’m not a RO fan in any way, with that being said the group you are obviously trying to promote on here doesn’t have the funding needed to get the job done or to ever possibly get the issue on the ballot… sorry, but it will never happen with “LEGALIZEOHIO2016”

  103. jasen joseph hylbert on

    Really? You are going to censor my comment that was an any way critical of RO? Wow!

  104. jasen joseph hylbert on

    There is also a chance for you voice to be heard at LEGALIZEOHIO2016, and your voice will probably be valued more by them!!!

  105. jasen joseph hylbert on

    “LEGALIZEOHIO2016” is the more trustworthy group than RO!!!!

    There is no telling what bad things the future could hold if the RO people are empowered. We who do not want to further puritan bigotry against herbal cannabis and hemp need to send a message that when oligopolists try a heist they lose our trust.

  106. jasen joseph hylbert on

    There is another plan to repeal cannabis prohibition in ohio called “LEGALIZEOHIO2016”. The RO people are far from the only option. Something about when a group of oligopolists come and start with something which bans all self provision home grows and has nothing about hemp and meddling with the state constitution tends to make a lot of people not particularly trusting of the RO people at all.

    It would send a great message if the situation in Ohio proceeded without the RO people. We all know what the real intentions of the RO people are, and if they are empowered they may try and run things in a really bad way. RO made the movement a laughing stock on the national stage. Most people against prohibition would have never tried to pass as bad of initiatives as the RO people did.

    I would be very reluctsnt to trust those who were behind the language in RO 2015. I know that there is another group called “LEGALIZEOHIO2016” who never tried to pass such a bad measure as RO did.

Leave A Reply