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Veterinarian Administers Medical Marijuana To Dogs, Says It Works Wonders


medical marijuana dogVeterinarian Doug Kramer considers his work to be “enlightened”, even naming his clinic the Enlightened Veterinary Therapeutics. When hearing about his out-of-the-box methodolgy, it’s hard to argue.

Dr. Kramer administers medical marijuana to dogs, especially those with late-staged cancer. He does so in his clinic, and is undeniably vocal about it. He’s not hiding what he’s doing, and instead is making sure to spread the word as far and wide as he can.

In an article published recently on Dogster.com, one of the largest dog sites in the world, Kramer states, regarding the decision to go against the law:

“The decision was an easy one for me to make…I refuse to condemn my patients to a miserable existence for self preservation or concerns about what may or may not happen to me as a consequence of my actions. My freedom of speech is clearly protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. This is an issue of animal welfare, plain and simple. Remaining silent would represent a clear violation of the veterinarian’s oath I took when I was admitted into this profession.”

Certainly noble.

On his website, Dr. Kramer notes that; “Overwhelming documented and empirical evidence suggests that there is a role for medicinal marijuana in veterinary medicine…In many, many scientific studies, THC and its synthetic derivatives have been shown to be effective in most animal models of pain.”

Dr. Kramer, who’s the first veterinarian in the country to (at least openly) administer medical cannabis to dogs, is not a medical cannabis patient himself. His venture started when his dog, Nikkita, was diagnosed with cancer. This led to Dr. Kramer studying recent cannabis research, which pushed him to create a homemade cannabis tincture, which he administered to her.

Dr. Kramer, who spoke with us briefly, states; “It restored her appetite, made her lively again. It was a complete turnaround and she got to live her final days in a much better way.”

After Nikita’s death, Dr. Kramer felt bound to continue harnessing cannabis as a medicine so that he could help other dogs with terminal diseases that may benefit from it. This led to him opening Enlightened Veterinary Therapeutics, which specializes in palliative and hospice care, and is the first and only clinic in the country to offer cannabis consultations as a pet treatment plan.

Going forward, Dr. Kramer hopes that his message spreads, and that we change our laws to enable doctors and others to truly study and recognize the vast benefits that medical cannabis can bring, whether you’re a human, or a dog.

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  1. Kelly Robbins on

    Hello! Could you reach out to me. I have pet/grooming store and focus on natural nutrition. I use cannabis oil for my own health and am needing some advice for a clients dog. He’s a 4 yr old Wheaten Terrier that literally wants to eat his back paws. He’s had one partial amputation. I’m wondering if this is CNS disorder from early vaccinations or more of anxiety disorder. I need to make a tincture for in between his paw pads and he can lick it as well. What ratio would you recommend? He’s about 45lbs.

  2. My beautiful German Shepherd (Sarah) suffers from epilepsy. She has very violent seizures once a month. She is currently on Kepra and I was hoping that medical marijuana might be a help to her. She has been having these seizures for about three years.

  3. i have a 3 year dog with drug resistant epilepsy, we heard about CBD oil and have just started to use it to treat her seizures. We are wondering if anyone has any suggestions as to how many mg of CBD oil we should give her. she is about 25 pounds. she suffers from clusters approximately every 2 weeks and it is breaking our hearts seeing her suffer, we will do anything to help this sweet little girl and we have very little help from traditional medicines and our neurologist is out of suggestion. We appreciate any information or experience that they had with CBD oil used in the treatment of Canine Epilepsy.

  4. Hi Tammy!

    I cant say I’m surprised at the reactions you’ve faced from your local dispensaries. I would guess that at least half the people who are registered at these dispensaries are not there for medical reasons, or they are “patients” for extremely questionable reasons. These people are not interested in the medical qualities or cannabis and are only interested in the psychoactive THC. in my opinion, you can always tell a substance abuser from a medical patient by this single trait. A drug abusers fiend for the psychoactive THC, mainly because it gives them a “high”. Whereas medical patients go for the other non-psychoactive cannabinoids that have been shown to hold the most promise for medical benefits. Chances are, if your dispensaries are laughing at you, they are being operated by the wrong people (i.e. abusers and not medical patients).

    If you are based out of Washington and it means enough for you to make the trip, I would strongly recommend you make a trip up to Vancouver, Canada. MedPotNow is fully stocked (or was last time I was there) with the Halley’s Comet and sells for fairly cheap at $7-8/g. seems like a big drive for $25 worth of product, but it can make all the difference when administered in the correct dosages for your size (calculated by weight of the animal) of dog.

    I know it can be disheartening. My heart cries out every time my pup shows her discomfort. But for what it is worth, with respect to mood and displaying excitement and positive emotions, my pup responds better to the CBD extract than she does to the Tramadol the vet has prescribed for pain relief. Also, on a sidenote, did you know that Tramadol inhibits the reuptake of both serotonin and norepinephrin? The mechanism of action for this drug is ridiculous. It provides pain relieve by stimulating the opiod receptors in your brain but makes you unhappy (and quite possibly even cause depression when used for extended periods of time) by blocking the reuptake of the neurotransmitters responsible for mood elevation.

    Let me know what you decide and if you end up coming to Vancouver, I would be willing to meet up with you and your pup, introduce you to mine and we can swap experiences :)

  5. Discus is so weird! here i am a whole year later! yes! when i met JaneDoe she had to be moved with a rabies pole for the first 6 months! Weed changed this dog 100%! see my reply above to MinnyLori recently.

  6. Try Shan-Anne Edwards DVM in Tucson. I’m not positive but i worked for her and she is reasonably open minded. Mention Jamie and Jane Doe; Marijuana changed my Jane from a schizophrenic freak to the most loving good natured girl, nobody ever believed me when i said “she used to eat kids”. She was scheduled for Euthanasia when i took her and i had her with me 10 wonderful years happily ever after. Never 1 angry episode after introducing Cannabis.

  7. Thank you SM Torr, I have not used pot for 25 yrs because of my job, but I recently got a med card so I could help my dog.
    I use natropathic medicine for myself and son most of the time. I dont think pharmicutical co. are in are best interest. Many of the pharm. drugs lower imune systems to work.
    She is a lab and I got her 7 yrs ago, I dont live in the best neiborhood and sometimes when I would run after work in the dark I would get a creepy feeling that it wasnt safe, So I got Chie from the pound, she loved to run to and she is such a good dog,
    Just diognosed with stage 2 cancer, She is still wearing the cone from surgery. Having a hard time finding Med canna with high CBD.I am getting laughed at by local dispensaries. The people who breed Charletts Web wont sell to people from WA. I will check out Haleys Comet Thank you so much for the info. I will say a prayer for your dog.

  8. Having personal experience with my dog who was diagnosed with TCC of the urethra at the beginning of January 2014, I can state with absolute certainty, that as long as you are not a pothead giving your dog weed and are approaching it from a purely scientific standpoint, there are some major benefits to using a high CBD strain extract as pain medication. I have used this on my dog and find that she responds better to the CBD butter than the tramadol the vet prescribed. Though combination therapy seems to be the best fit for my dog.

    I acquired some weed from my local dispensary called “Haley’s Comet”, which is roughly a 15%/15% THC/CBD strain (very high CBD strain compared to most). In fact, this strain has a higher CBD percentage than the well known “Charlotte’s Web” strain (0.01% THC / 10% CBD). Now, THC is psychoactive, CBD is not. If you want your dog to have the pain relieving effects without the “high” you will need to cook out the THC and extract the CBD. Thankfully, this isn’t too difficult as THC and CBD have different vaporization temperatures. THC vaporizes at roughly 355F while CBD vaporizes at roughly 410F.

    Here how you do it:

    1. Grind and cook the weed in an oven set to 325F-350F – depending on the accuracy and fluctuation variable of your specific oven (get an over thermometer and be exact!)

    2. Cook the weed for 20 mins. to vaporize all the THC (do not let your oven go above 375F during any point in the cooking process or you risk vaporizing the CBD).

    Once you have vaporized the THC, now its time to extract the CBD. To do this:

    3. in a sauce pan, fill 2/3rds full with water and bring to a boil.

    4. add and melt some butter into the water at a ratio of 1/4 cup of butter to 1/4 oz of weed (1/8cup of butter to 1/8oz of weed, etc.). you do not need to make more than a 1/4 cup.

    5. when the butter is fully melted, add the weed. Keep the water at a boil for an hour making sure to add more water if need to keep the butter from getting too hot (at no point should the butter rise about 220F).

    6. After an hour, the butter has absorbed most of remaining cannabinoids out of the weed. Remove from heat and allow to cool. Once cooled, place in fridge (or outside depending on location and time of year) so the butter will harden again. This makes it easier to separate the butter from the plant material (which sinks to the bottom after cooking) and the water.

    I usually repeat steps 3 through 6 (with the exception of NOT adding any more weed). This helps to remove excess chloroform and other plant material that may have been absorbed by the butter. You want to reduce these contaminants as much as possible.

    Once you have your cannabutter, it will be strong, so be careful when determining a dosage. For my 70lb lab, I usually gauge it by how much pain she shows to be in. But generally speaking, I usually do not give her any more than 400 mg (0.4g) of the butter (usual dosage is 200mg). She then will become tired and sleep for about 20-30 minutes, but when she wakes up, she is happy as can be and does not show any notable signs of discomfort or pain. At least, for a about 6 hours or so. She pretty much acts like a puppy again. So I suspect there must be a side effect of increased dopamine or maybe acts as a bit of a reuptake inhibitor, which will elevate mood. A key component in palliative care in addition to pain management, in my opinion.

    I really cant say anything about the anti-cancer property of CBD, but with respects to pain and mood enhancement without causing an intoxicating “high”, I have first hand experience and it does help, provided you educate yourself first on the science behind it and aren’t stupid about it. Dogs don’t understand what it means to be high, so don’t do it thikiong they will enjoy it; they wont! It frightens them as their senses are diminished and they don’t know what to make of it.

  9. I am so sorry for your loss. I don’t even know you, and I’m starting to get teary-eyed. My Bellamy has had 6 grand mal and at least 2 focal seizures within the past few days and is currently in the hospital. I need to find some contact info for a vet who deals with the cannabis.oil so I can find out a proper dose. Thank you for respondin; I know this is a horrible time for you and must have been hard to think about and post. I will keep you and Buster in my prayers.

  10. I wish you the best of luck. The cannabis oil worked wonders for a week. I had to put Buster down as the last set of seizures showed he was in considerable pain. I have been devastated. I was willing to give my right leg as long as he was not in pain. I believe something major must have been going on in the back ground; although all Doctors could not resolve. I KNOW cannabis oil does work on many seizure dogs, so I pray it will work on your dog!

  11. I feel your pain. My dog has bouts of severe grand mal seizures every couple of months. She used to have them every 2 weeks until I found out about the issue woth the treats from China and started paying closer attention to what I buy. The seizures started shortly after her first birthday, and she is 3 and a half now. Between her doctor, the neurologist, and the e-clinic, she is on phenobarbital, potassium bromide, keppra, and zonisamide, and I keep diazepam at the house for when she needs it. She is 90 pounds (50 pounds before all the meds). She has had 5 seizures in the past 2 days. I need to find out the correct dosage for her, and I’m going to try the cannabis oil. I don’t care if it’s illegal here. My pups mean the world to me. She is a normal, happy, healthy, playful dog between the seizure bouts, so I would not consider putting her down. I spend thousands of dollars. I got credit cards just so I can pay for her needs, and she is more than worth every penny. Afterhours and hours or reseach so many times and talking to anybody I meet who may have any insight, the only thing I’ve read/heard that consistently seems to work is cannabis oil. Good luck with your pup.

  12. I know this is a serious discussion on pet care, but… How cute is that doggie in the picture? Ruff!

  13. My cat was on CBD oilf for a week. He has renal problems en he lost weight. The oil quicly brought back his appetite. But after a week, he could not pee anymore and had to be catheterized (?) twice and now he’s still at the vet. He seems to have lost the controle over his blatter or he has blatter cramps. On the webiste of the vet guru i found that a marihuana toxicisty can lead to incontinence and more. But that should disappear after 72 hours after last intake. Have more of you experienced side effects?

  14. How do we get in touch with you? I’ve got a sick cat that he could use some of your oil.

  15. if you live in canada, you should be able to get the oil at any collective there. isn’t it medically legal there? if not, find a way. get the cannabis and make butter with it or extract the oil from it (looks like molasses when done). research rick simpson who is a canadian hero to this movement. you can find vids on how to make it. use caution and follow safety directions carefully.

  16. Please,help! my cat was diagnosed with fibrosarcoma from vaccination(ONE TIME ONLY 7 YEARS AGO),and our vet is not recommending surgery.The cat is 14 yrs old.I live in Canada,Where i can find the oil and a naturopath doctor?please,please help my baby!

  17. I have been desperate to find a solution for my 1.5 year old rescued dog. I knew he occasionally got seizures one a month, but rescued him anyways. Vets put him on Phenobarbital, Sodium Bromaide. It worked wonders for 4 months. Fast forward to 2 weeks ago and he is having 40 siezures a day. The NEW NEUROLOGIST put him on Kreppra 4 days ago. It is not working. I just got hold of THC oil and I am trying it. He is 36 pounds and i pray I gave him right amount. I have spent ,$1,000 in the last 2 weeks – $4,000 on my poor boy this year. If anyone has any suggestions I will appreciate it. I LOVE MY DOG!

  18. Any type of high- CBD pot should be best. Humans are fair identifiers of such: “gets people ‘pretty high’ but they report no ‘crazy or heavy thoughts'” if repeatable over several trials, is likely to be low THC high CBD. I would start with a quarter-fingertip size bud for 50 lb. dog, mull in a TBS of low simmering olive oil for 3-5 minutes, mash bud relatively free of oil and discard (or designate for human use) the bud, feed cooled oil to dog.

  19. I have an 8 yrd old 6lb chihuahua who has been having seizures since she was 2 months old. She been on phenobarbitol for about the same length of time. Not only does she still have seizures (about once a month, sometimes in clusters) the price of pheno here in CA has almost tripled in price. I cant bear to spend that much money on a medication that isnt even effective, plus could be doing damage to her liver.
    I just recently came across the use of cannabis oil to treat epilepsy in dogs, and I am very curious to try it for her. Any one have any reccomendations as to wear I can get help purchasing some here in Central California??

  20. Blink Browning on

    we buy it at the dispensary here in Colorado, or grow it to make into olive oil. because olive oil has good calories in it. honestly what happened is he got into some butter that we made and he was kinda sick for a couple days and then a couple days later when he felt better. he was starting to play like he use to. it was a amazing. So now three times a week he gets like a teaspoon. we don’t know exactly how much he is getting but it’s working and that’s what matters. but be warned the marijuana plant is toxic to animals. You have to extract the medicine.

  21. whatacrazyworld on

    Is the cannibis expensive and where do you buy it? I have a boy that had a cluster of seizures two weeks ago and they gave him a loading dose of Pb and is now on 1.5 grains.

  22. Blink Browning on

    my dog has seizures and was on potassium bromide and phenobarbital. we started giving him pot butter and he has not had a seizure in almost 3 months. we have taken him off his potassium bromide. and dropped him down to 2 tabs by mouth twice daily. he is finally playing fetch again. and slowing turning back into the dog we had before. it has changed his life. hopefully we can take him off all commercial meds by the end of the year.

  23. Heather Fertig on

    I have a 7 year old Akita/husky mix who’s had seizures for 2 years now. She’s already on Phenobarb & Potassium Bromide, but still having seizures & the vet now wants to add Zonisimide. Keeping in mind that these all only treat the symptoms, because the vet’s don’t have a clue how to treat the cause. A friend recommended marijuana to help with the seizures. I’m ready to try anything to help this animal! I live in Flagstaff, so you’d think it’s be easy to come by – but how would I go about getting it legally & what about hemp oil as an alternative?

  24. I’m thinking of juicing marijuana for our cat (13 lbs.). He is showing signs of liver failure and has been started on antibiotics and prednisone, but does not seem to be responding. Any thoughts out there?

  25. Do you have any blends that are good for dogs? I’ve got one little dog who has seizures (idiopathic epilepsy) and another big dog who gets a little creaky (arthritis). And to tell the truth, both dogs are a little on the anxious side…love to not “dose them” too much, but have them be a little more relaxed.

    Let me know…john (john@johnsouchak.com)

  26. I’d also love to know the recipe for my dog, who suffers seizures (idiopathic ep) and is on the full “cocktail” of drugs now. Please let me know if I can have the recipe!

  27. Have you found a better dosage in your experimentation? I have a 3yo poodie/bedlington terrier mix and he is on pheno/keppra/zonisamide but still suffering from seizures (idiopathic, all testing completed). It seems like the wisdom on this board points to CBD tinctures or hemp oil. If you have any positive results, I’d love to know them!

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  29. How much no one says how much! I have a English bulldog having seizures about every 4 or 5 wks last ones were 4 in a hour! On three meds,I don’t want to start phenobarbital please any help Daphnie and Charmaine at saxlc3@yahoo.com

  30. I’m in the same place. Have a 3 yr old Border Collie mix who has been diagnosed with idiopathic epilepsy at 2 1/2. She is on phenobarbital and Keppra and we have now began treating her with hemp oil with a high amount of CBD, no THC. Started yesterday and so far have given her 4 doses( 15 drops) with food. This morning I have noticed she is much quieter than normal. She is usually very neurotic, pacing and barking. This is from the clusters of grand mal seizures she has suffered. Had a cluster 3 days ago of 12 GM. I too need to find the right dosage. I think I may be giving her too much right now. I’m in California. Need to find a holistic vet in the SF Bay area or Marin/Sonoma County areas. HELP!!!! I think it’s working but don’t want to overdose her.

  31. I have a bull mastiff that is 8 years old has started seizing 2 months ago. This oast night he has been having them every 3 hours lasting about 4 minutes..I am trying to figure out hiw much I should give him. So far I have been just blowing a hoot in his nose because thats the best I can do. I live in canada and though its not legal really I can get my hands on oil, cbd, budder (98% thc) or whatever. I just cant walk into a vet though and ask how much I can give him. If anyone can please tell me what to do I would appreciate it. What exactly worked. Kind and dosage. Thankyou

  32. I have a aussie who has had 6 seizures in 3 weeks I have her on 3 medications I need to find a vet in the Tucson Arizona or Arizona to that will be willing to help me with her. I am convinced that the medications are not doing much to help. Who could I see to talk to about her condition. I have seen the benefits of the therapy with all the reports on television as of late please get back in touch with me MinnyLori@aol.com. L. Conklin 520-310-0610 Thank you I will be waiting

  33. I have a aussie who has had 6 seizures in 3 weeks I have her on 3 medications I need to find a vet in the Tucson Arizona or Arizona to that will be willing to help me with her. I am convinced that the medications are not doing much to help. Who could I see to talk to about her condition. I have seen the benefits of the therapy with all the reports on television as of late please get back in touch with me MinnyLori@aol.com. L. Conklin 520-310-0610 Thank you I will be waiting

  34. I’m in Canada and have the same problem. She was on Keppra and it made her worse. She would pass out for hours and wake up in a terrible state. Also sick to her stomach for hours. If anybody in Toronto area knows a vet who can get edible medical marijuana?

  35. This is really encouraging my dog has congestive heart failure also and he just coughs a lot, the pain medicine does nothing for him, I may see what I can do for him, it is not legal in my state either. Thank you to everyone for spreading helpful information, that like you say save a life.

  36. This is really encouraging my dog has congestive heart failure also and he just coughs a lot, the pain medicine does nothing for him, I may see what I can do for him, it is not legal in my state either. Thank you to everyone for spreading helpful information, that like you say save a life.

  37. do you have a recipe for the olive oil and cannabis.. i have a dauchsund with epilepsy and the dr wants to put him on phenobarbital. I would prefer to give him the cannabis. Thank you..Anne

  38. I saved my dog from dying from congestive heart failure on Wednesday night with RSO or better known as hemp oil. She was literally knocking on deaths door as I was making the oil for the very first time to help combat my best friends moms cancer. As a last resort I swiped a very small amount on her tongue and prayed for a miracle. MY PRAYERS WERE ANSWERED!! She’s been up walking around, not coughing, and there is life back in her eyes. I am ecstatic to be able to provide a cure for my loved one and my dog. Marijuana is not legal in my state and I do not smoke it. I am an advocate for the legalization of marijuana for all it’s medicinal properties. If only had known 5 1/2 years ago my mom could still be here enjoying her grand children. RIP Mom

  39. Sister Sweetea on

    I agree that thc levels should be considered for dogs and humans. There is such a thing as too much. And while you can’t do any significant damage to humans, dogs many times more sensitive and need to rely on instinct. I seen permant damage do dogs that got ahold of mass amounts of goodies accidently. We know that There are high levels of cbd’s in the stems and leaves. I have treated several dogs with seriouse health and mental problems. I make what i call Pooch Juice from the stems. Rendering off the thc and reprocessing for a life giving invigorating CBD Tea. By the way, we drink it too. The amount of thc i give a dog depends on what i am treating it for. I also do oils that folks put on the dogs food. A beutiful Akita who was so neurotic it was eating car seats and furniture from separation anxiety was his way to the shelter if the very distressed owner could not control matters. They approached me. I was very leary at first because what they wanted “something strong”. After a couple weeks i consented and made a mired of products. What worked the best in that case was a table spoon of a medium strength oil in his food every morning. When i saw this animal which was often, he was happy active and so was the owner. For artheritis i would recomend a tea and medium oil. Peace Sister Sweetea.

  40. scheduled to be put down cause your dog was too crazy? my dog is very wild n crazy for being 11 yrs old, i wonder if i should get her medicated lol

  41. Works to be sure! Be careful with THC dosage, because you CAN overdose your dog. The medicine itself won’t kill them, but there are variables that manifest as a result of too much THC…most notably would be dehydration. My dogs are arthritic and benefit from higher levels of CBD. Just food for thought…

  42. I wish my old dog harley had met you for the last 3 years – she whined with hip pain, could not hear herself, everyone hated her being in the room. I let her live her life out as best as possible in a great surrounding but always wished her suffering could be alleviated without sedation.

  43. Home for sick dogs on

    I have 3 dogs: Emma, 1st generation silver lab, with breast cancer and hip dysplasia. Memes,
    who we call micro dog that looks like part terrier, poodle, and spaniel, who has
    advanced breast cancer, fatty liver and liver cancer. Bonita, American Water Spaniel
    with epilepsy; she has continuous small seizures along with grand mal seizures.

    I started all three dogs on medical cannabis about two month past. When my daughter brought
    Memes to me she was constantly vomiting and would not eat or drink. I was told
    Memes may last a month. She was given to me with a UTI, blood infection and ear
    infection; they did put her three antibiotics for the infections. The vet
    thought I was wasting my money for the treatment. Her last visit, the vet was
    very surprised that her liver has improved and she was very active in his
    office. She now wants to eat, run and never misses the chance to escape out the
    door when she can; I have a closed yard so she is safe. Memes only vomits if a
    neighbor gives her something fatty. I did put a stop to this. All the neighbors
    just love this dog. This is all new for Memes. The vet has extended her life
    expectancy to six months to a year. He was very shocked that her condition improved
    so quickly.

    Bonita, has not had a grand mal seizure since she began the treatment with cannabis. Even her
    constant mini seizures have nearly resolved. She is no longer skittish nor
    pants or paces constantly. She is walking better and eager to get out. She is
    actually running; I cannot keep up with her. She is like a new dog.

    Emma was unable to get out of bed to eat, drink and to get her out of the house was impossible.
    She has breast cancer and hip dysplasia. After a week on cannabis she is up
    eating and drinking. Her hip dysplasia does not stop her from getting out of
    the house. When I get her leash, she is up and ready to go. She actually wants
    to walk faster than I can. She shows no pain from her breast cancer. Nor does

    I was skeptical giving cannabis to my dogs because of the negative information from web sites
    that cannabis was poisonous to dogs and cats. However, I noticed that they sniff
    the cannabis and want to eat it in its natural form. Since lose stool is a
    problem after eating it in its natural form, I steeped it in Olive Oil and put
    it into their food. They love the Olive Oil and have no side effects but positive.

  44. I too had a crazy old dog that was completely psychotic and scheduled to be put down until some good ole green tonic water calmed her right down and anyone who met her never ever could believe that she could have ever been hostile. This vet has balls and i respect him very much for speaking out.

  45. James Burtnett on

    I have given canna butter to several of my dogs for pain & panic attacks. It’s the best no bad side effects and you can’t overdose, it is a mellow medicine.

  46. I have an Australian Shepherd who is 13 years old and arthritic. I put canna-infused butter or olive oil on his food, or feed him raw bud (he likes it). Makes a tremendous difference in his level of pain and quality of life.

  47. Johnny oneye on

    My Dogs love cannabis . my dogs have killed many plants. They like the big fan leaves , Like the grass on a lawn they will eat it till they pass out.
    I cant let them anywhere near my plants!

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